It looks much better! I changed to a much more simplified one because there are so many skills, it's really tedious to maintain, plus I figured every 10 levels is good enough. I doubt anyone really cares about the difference between skill level 28 and 30 or 12 and 14, when we haev so much more to do.
I played against a Hippolyte in FL yesterday and damn, she hits hard!
Glad you like it! Actually I was about to send you a message asking for your opinion on what you'd like me to change about it. So is there something you think could be improved/implemented?
I agree every 10 levels is fine and most people probably just want to see max level stats, but I'm a perfectionist... I need all the data :P
I got her just yesterday, and yep she's pretty good. Can replace monk/patriot/roro for stun avoidance. A row skill that has scalability so it can hit hard, but the best thing is the formation Attack buff.
Then if you've got high funds you can get the 2 skins, 4 total stats, just that can increase her bossing potential to insane levels.
I'm not sure what has happened, but I acn no longer edit any page using the standard editor (the one that comes up if you simply click edit on any page). It looks like it's going to let me edit, but then it just sits there with the loading GIF and never actually finished loading.
I can use the classic editor, but I hate that editor and really want to use the standard editor.
Haven't seen someone wanting to help with the wikia for quite some time! So I'm really happy to see you are interested :)
I actually had a list of stuff to add, and I see you already did some decent work by adding the Gauntlet page.
The other general pages that needed to be done were Pants; Helmet; Shoes; Orb; Ring; Necklace.
There's obviously a lot more work aside from these, but first things first ;)
If you know anyone else who's interested in working in the wikia don't hesitate to recruit them, we need all the manpower we can get to make this site The reference for Atlantica Online.
Tip: The software I use to take a picture of item icons is called Greenshot, it has a built-in magnifier and tells you exactly how many pixels you are currently cropping. The item icons are 40px wide by 40px tall.
Note that as an Admin, I can promote you higher rankings which will make editing a bit easier, but I need a week before taking the decision, for security reasons.
I hope you'll enjoy your editing experience and if you need any help such as deleting/moving pages or general tips and tricks I'll be here!
Yay, I'm glad that you are still active here! There's definately a need to have a new resource for AO, most are outdated or down (in the case of ao-db). I will start recruiting people to help out, especially as we get a more detailed to-do list going. For now I'll rope in my husband to help out since he's a programmer!
I cheated on the gauntlet and helmet pages by using the armor source code to get started. I updated the stats, but left the pictures alone for now. I will get greenshot and update the pictures over the weekend. Do I just upload the pictures to the photos area then link to them on the page?
I saw there's a "Wanted Pages" page, perhaps that could be a good place to get projects started up. Thanks for the quick reply, I'm sure I'll have heaps more questions along the way!
Wanted pages/categories/photos/templates like you said is a good way to get things started up, personally I didn't use it a lot since I had clear goals which was to create the pages that would be the most helpful overall (equipment, mercenaries, mounts and decos). Quests are also at the top of my to-do list but they require a huge amount of time especially with the quest revamp a few years ago that modified a lot of stuff.
I figured the quests and crafting would be the big ones. Crafting is easy enough to look up, but the quests are a daunting task... One page at a time I guess! Do you know if the images for gear are somewhere in the game files? Would be a nice shortcut if we didn't have to take a million screenshots.
Hey guys, I have been editing quite a bit myself. I've added info on Legions and classes and just basically trying to update the most outdated info whenever I find it.
I have also posted on the AO forums that I am contributing here, trying to get other peopel interested in contributing.
I don't have rights yet to edit the main page. I just wanted to make some minor tweaks to make it friendlier for new players. For example, new players may not know that Heroes mean main class in AO, so I would change that to 'Heroes (Main Class)'. I'd also like to add a link on the main page to the new Legions main page I've added.
I've seen your edits and you are doing a great job!
Unfortunately only admins can make changes to locked pages (usually the most important ones), to reduce possible vandalism.
Nevertheless, you are right in saying that new players won't understand what "heroes" are. The page was made back in 2008 and it never crossed my mind to change its name :p
So I just changed it upon your request, although I picked the term "Main Character", as written in the in-game encyclopedia, since classes denotes a more global aspect (mercenaries and main characters alike).
Also added the Legion page-link on the homepage, but renamed "Legions" to "Legion" (on the page itself), again to stay in conformity with what's written in-game.
But if you need me to make small changes like these, or want explanation on how to do certain things, leave me a message and I'll do my best to take care of it.
Good Work and Efforts = Promotion to Admin status, which I actually gave to SolidGoldJo for her great service to this Wikia in only 1 week of editing. So keep up with your contributions and you'll eventually get it as well :)
I personnaly don't have much time right now to make any important edits, nor do I have time to even play the game due to my very busy schedule. I'll be active during winter break most likely.
Ok, I just added a page for the Quest Log and this wound up being a major brain dump regarding quests in AO. :-)
I originally intended this to be a separate page from quests, but it really makes sense to have all the info about questing on one page. So, please delelte the current Quests page, which contains almost nothing, and rename the Quest Log page I added to Quests.
From this page, we can then link to the Leveling Guide page that lists some of the better quests.
Oneissue I have, being a noob to Wikia, ishow to move images to where I want them, so they are next to the text that goes along with those images. You'll see what I mean on the Quest Log page, unless I figure it out before you see it.
I just renamed the "Quest log" page to "Quest" and deleted the other one.
As for your issue, they are many ways to move images, although they are certain limits depending on what you want exactly.
The first one would be to use the editor and simply drag the image arround to where you want it to be, a bit like how it's done in Microsoft Word.
The other method is to use the source editor (edit page, then click on the 3-lines button next to the cancel button, and select "Source Editor"), for example let's modify one of the image found on the Quest page with the following code:
[File:QuestList.jpg|left|thumbnail|I love quest!] (You need 2 brackets, but this is to show the code)
In here we have the name of the file, followed by the position (left) on the page (note that this can have many other positions such as float-left, center, etc). Then comes the size of the picture, I just put thumbnail since that works if you want smaller pictures, but you could also write "260x260" (which is 260 pixels by 260 pixels). And then there's the message which can add some information if needed.
So I got the quest page to be pretty much how I wanted it by resizing images, adding and moving text. Now the images are always next to the text that discusses them.
Next problem: I added Overdrive and Ancient Fury pages. I can link to Overdrive from Ancient Fury, but when trying to link to Ancient Fury from OVerdrive, it won't recognize that the page exits, even though it does.
Haha yes, the wiki doesn't always refresh automatically, a way to bypass the wait is to add " ?action=purge " next to the url of the page which automatically clears the cache.
Another cool fonction, but now when working in the "source editor" is the < br > "insert text/image/header/etc." < br/ > (with the angle brackets wrapping directly around the "br")
This isn't a reference to Brazilians, but rather a "line-break": as in forcing a gap the size of a line between 2 paragraphs for instance, or forcing an image to jump down a line. It can be pretty useful when the editor ignores the spacing using "Enter".
I'd like to help as well; did you have any luck finding a copy of the database? I'm a software developer (for a living) and would like to assist. Can you provide me your list? I'll review the basic ones you've listed so far.
Scraping ao-db as you suggest is an option; but of course having a copy of the database itself would be a huge head start.
The fact you are a software developer is great as I'm personally only familiar with python...
As for the game's database, I haven't had a lot of luck, I did, however, find a program to decrypt the NDT files and scavenge some information from them. The problem with these files is that many contain outdated data but I haven't looked at all of them yet. Here's a link to download the decrypter and ndt files.
Monsters information (loot, stats, images) are pretty much the bulk of what's left to do (about 1-2k pages worth, if not more), along with box contents. Quests are still a work in progress but shouldn't take more than 2-4 weeks to get them all done manually.
If there's anything else you want to know I'll gladly answer asap.
Welcome Edosdonkey. I'm a programmer, too. I actually did a scrape of ao-db.com, but the resulting pages are in an awful format, not easy to read, even with a program. Not impossible, of course, but a pain, which is why I haven't done much with them yet. I'll be glad to give you a copy so you can play with it.
Thanks Wishdom, looks like these are the same NDT files that come with the client, but not in a directory structure. I'll see if these are useful.
Smashix, I'd like a copy, please. I did my own scrape yesterday with the wayback downloader, but as you indicated it's in a haphazard format. I'd appreciate your copy, maybe you had better luck than I did.
Right now I'm trying to get ahold of either Therian or Muwing; I suspect they still have copies of the database. Do you know if the Wiki supports SQL queries? Assuming we can get an intact DB, it would save us having to manually create quest chain tables, item tables, etc...
If we can get a complete database with a consistent format, it may be possible to write a program that generates wiki pages automatically. Then we could copy and paste the results into new wiki pages, which would save considerable time.
But there's a little bot made especially for Wikis called "AutoWikiBrowser", it's very powerful and can parse pages automatically. More can be found here and here.
I've never used it for that kind of work so I wouldn't be able to guide you through it, but it's the only alternative to SQL queries I know of.
Also to keep the Wiki consistent, we use templates for pretty much every page (aside from general articles).
A list of templates can be found here. Some of them are outdated but can be modified to fit our goals.
So copying pages from AO-DB would be more than a simple copy-paste job, but the info itself can be copied in excel spreadsheet, and with the concatenate function be merged with any template easily. That's how I got done with 500+ NPC pages in about 3 hours. I've made a few guides on the forums here.
Nice work on the NPC pages, that's a pretty quick turnaround time.
I took a look at those templates a few days ago, and noticed the quest one was there but very minimal. Is there a different one you want to use for quests? I figure I'll start there.
After some work, I've managed to re-create the AO DB on a virtual machine running Linux/Apache. With the quest template I should be able to write a quick parser to grab the quests off my copy of the AO DB and convert them into the templated form.
Uniformity is obviously the end goal but we do not enforce it. So you have the choice to do whichever way you find the easiest/fastest. At the end of the day, all that counts is getting the information out there, even if the format looks different than the rest.
The only semi-official template for quests is the "Objective" one which just eases the writing of each quest step. To be used inside a Wikitable. You can take a look at a simple quest such as this one.
To view the code simply click on the small arrow near edit button and click on source editor (if you aren't using it as the default editor).